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Host: Speaking of airlines they do tell you to turn off your mobile phone, laptop, computer, all that sort of thing, is there genuine concern to what that can do to an aircrafts navigational equipment, or is it all a bit of a furfy?

Jonar Nader: Half and half, there have been some very serious cases where the pilot has experienced some magnificent changes and shifts very dramatically in his instrumentation and they have broadcast “can you please turn you laptops and phones off” but there is a huge baseball match coming up, it is a bit like the Melbourne Cup or the cricket and the pilot would have to say “would you please turn the stuff off or I will come and confiscate it” so everyone turns it off and then three minutes later someone thinks that one phone won’t hurt so he turns on his little device and the pilot said this is very serious stuff. So games machines, laptops, headsets and mobile phones are interfering in all sorts of ways, I mean nothing super major, in the sense that all else fails you can fly by sight but if it is very foggy and if he is relying on computer instrumentation to land then you could be 10%-15% off wherever you are going.

Host: That could put you into a different country probably.

Jonar Nader: Well yes, and furthermore, smoke detectors in lavatories in airplanes that keep threatening “Do not smoke in the lavatory” well then I might soon have a mobile phone detector in the lavatory or something like that.

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Host: Jonar, welcome back to the evening show.

Jonar Nader: Hello Angela.

Host: Hello, some of your predictions are coming true aren’t they? You were talking about the Y2K bug years ago.

Jonar Nader: Yes, and then a couple of years after that I was talking about Year 2F, which I had a whole session on your show some time ago, the undetectable, untraceable fraud, and at the end of that show I recall saying, “stand by for the next one” and you said “what is the next one?” and I said “AT” and you said “what is that?” And I said “well next time I will tell you.”

Host: So AT stands for Atomic Threat, but you are punting in fact that it may have something to do with the major power failure in Sydney today.

Jonar Nader: Yes, well I can’t be totally sure because I haven’t had time to look into it and I have been dashing in and out of meetings, but it just strikes me that the atomic threat needs to be another thing that society needs to look at, as you know technology is no longer something that happens in back streets and labs, but effects every single person, and here I think is another example. It happens quite a bit, it happened when the British Nanny story was coming out and back that the courts in London were saying that for the first time ever they were going to release the verdict of this British Nanny on the internet before they released it to the major news groups, and the major news groups were quite upset about this because that was their livelihood, being there on the spot and to think that the new medium called the internet was going to steal their infrastructure. And so some your whipper snapper worked out where the nearest power station was that supplied the court, and just a minute before the court was to supply the verdict on the net, there was a power shortage, like we saw in Sydney today, and that power shortage meant that they could not press that button on the internet and the likes of our major news broadcasters got the story first.

Host: So why do you call it an Atomic Threat Jonar?

Jonar Nader: Well it is not atomic in the sense of atomic bomb, it is atomic in the sense that we are using an improved, refined measure of time, in the past we used to measure time in the second, and the second meant there was a frequency between certain laboratory experiments, so that a second was measured in a lab between how quickly light can travel between one element to another. Now what we are saying is, we can measure time by the frequency and speed by which one atomic cell can send a signal to another. That is simplistically speaking, meaning we are going down to the atomic level, meaning the atom and vibrating the atom and working out the vibrations between one and the next. That doesn’t matter to the listener really, but it means that instead of running the whole world on the moon, sun, stars and galaxies, we are running them on these atoms, these atoms are vibrating and telling us what time means. That in itself is not the problem. The problem is not that we are dictating well, where are these atoms places. So we now have 230 such devices around the world, and these devices are talking to each other all the time and they are getting the average, so 230 atomic stations are getting the average and they send out signals to stations like yourself, ABC, CNN and to local traffic lights and they are saying this is what time means now all that again doesn’t mean anything but all that means is tamper with that by one nano second, by a fraction of a second and that whole thing gets thrown out and once thrown out, it is like having a fuse out. It cant cope with it, and I was just looking at my notes here, on the 21st November 1997 I gave a prediction about AT to the Australian Communications Authority and back then they laughed and clapped at the end of it but here is a perfect example of what can happen in Sydney today when you have a problem with the tampering of time.

Host: When you say the tampering are you suggesting that there is some fowl deeds going on behind the scenes Jonar?

Jonar Nader: I couldn’t be sure of that, nor am I really suspecting that, but what I am saying is that it could be a fowl deed or it could just be a general hiccup or a general flaw and all those things are possible, if I could find 230 people willing to do so, we could go and raid all those clocks, that would mean it would send every aeroplane out of orbit because aeroplanes work or geographical timing.

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Host: The regular expert in these matters, Jonar Nader, from the Australian Information Technology Society, how are you Jonar?

Jonar Nader: Hi Kevin

Host: Somebody asked be about mobile phones and digital phones, and I was really caught out, and about digital phones versus analogue phones, and the question was, what is the difference? What does analogue mean and what does digital mean? And I sort of looked blankly and changed the subject, I didn’t have a clue. The word digital is not part of our language but I don’t think many of us know much about it, what is it all about?

Jonar Nader: Well, the world of digits is what digital is all about, and digits start with the numbering system. The numbering system that we are most comfortable with is the decimal system the 1-9 plus 0 being ten and deci meaning ten, hence the decimal system. In the world of computers we use the binary system, bi meaning two as in bicycle having two wheels. So the binary digit system only has two as opposed to the ten we are used to and the two digits are 0 and 1. Now an analogue world is a world where there are infinite steps and infinite varieties. So that the weather is never really 24 degrees in Sydney or Perth or Northern Territory, it is somewhere between 24 and 25 and the million degrees in the middle, so the analogue world has millions of steps to it, but the computer can’t cope with that, so we break it down to things that are easy to put your finger on, so that when you say to a computer 24, it is precisely, absolutely and only 24. So an analogue system is like the thermometer where it could be any degree not just 24 degrees. So digital phones are those phones that really only convert voice signals into digital signals, 0′s and 1′s, into bits and bytes so that they can be transferred over the telephone lines, or the fibre optics or any other way, in discrete units, those units being tiny little digits of 0′s and 1′s, what that means and why it is so important is it just means we can send them, duplicate them, copy them manipulate them, so much more easily, then the world of analogue that we live in.

Host: So it is the way that data or information is sent from one to the other and how the whole system deals with it.

Jonar Nader: Yes, so the digital phone for example as opposed to an analogue phone I guess, is that it relies a lot more on the digital world, relies a lot more on 0′s and 1′s, is much more secure, is much clearer although some would argue that it is not and there have been reports that state it is not, but that is not because the digital system isn’t clearer, it is because the satellites that they have in place aren’t in the right place, or they haven’t invested in the right infrastructure.

Host: So in that sense, and I right in saying that digital technology is the newer form of technology and is that the direction we will be heading in?

Jonar Nader: Well, because digital technology is so much easier to copy, for example, if you were to go to a library and borrow a book, the book is made up of atoms, it is made up of paper, a cover, etc. the words on there are ink. Now if you borrow that book from the library then no one else in your community can borrow it, because only you have it so in the world of digits, we can keep duplicating them many times over, so that when you have borrowed the digital book from the library, you have taken nothing away but only a photocopy of the digits, and you can read them at home on your internet screen or whatever, and you can have access to them and a million other people can have access to them, so the world of digital, as opposed to the world of atoms, means that things can be copied. And that is why I guess Bill Gates is so rich, because what he sells you are not flowers that you have to wait to grow from the seed up.

Host: So it is not actual, he sells you the virtual book.

Jonar Nader: Yes, and every time he sells you a piece of software, he is making trillions of percent profit if I guess the R&D costs are met, then there are trillions of percent profit because he is just giving you a profit, I mean what industry gives you a photocopy, I mean when you buy an apple, you have the real thing, not a photocopy of and apple.