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Female: After the break. Data theft, it’s a growing international business.

Female: The electronic age has made instant global communication possible but the system is also open to abuse. Technology guru and author of the first computer dictionary, warns people to be on guard against a growing epidemic, data theft.

Teresa Miller: Scandals like Camillagate and the Princess Diana tapes highlight just how easy it is to tap into phone conversations of not just the Royals but of mere mortals as well. And you don’t need exotic telephones like this one to spy on your friends and foes. According to Jonar Nader, the President of the Information Technology Society, we are all vulnerable to data theft and we should guard against it.

Jonar Nader: This all adage that says, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear is one that’s a bit of a propaganda by those who love collecting information to use it against you whether it would be governments, security agencies, opponents, friends, or ex-lovers.

Teresa Miller: Nader says, information can be gleaned from your phone or credit card bill, computer screen, or fax machine. A recent US study reveals that 22% of bosses admit to reading their employees’ email or listening to their voicemail.

Jonar Nader: Using a time machine like this, which you can buy from any store, you’re able to call into virtually any company’s voicemail system and once you worked out the way it works, you sit there to your heart content and try the card numbers and you can get into people’s private voicemails.

Teresa Miller: One of the easiest ways to gather information is through the phone. Itemized phone bills give the number and date and time you called. A phone card automatically gives you the last number dialed as well of course, pressing the redial button on the phone.

Jonar Nader: So, if you make a phone call to a pornographic company and then you want to be the next president of some government, let’s say you called 0055 and you know, therefore you’re not a family man. Well, this is the oldest trick in the book, is you place a double adaptor at an employee’s phone or to your wife’s phone or wherever you like, and just connect another phone to it. That’s the oldest trick in the book.

Another way is not to actually tap the phone but the tap the room or where the person is speaking.

Teresa Miller: Fax machines can also be manipulated. Confidential faxes can be redirected. Anyone can print out a journal to find out where faxes are going to or coming from. An embarrassment if you’re job hunting or dealing with a competitor. Nader warns not to leave your computer logged on when you leave your desk. By simply hitting the print button, an office theft can access your last document.

No computer password is foolproof. For example, if you use any word found in the dictionary, it can be easily detected by doing a simple word search on the computer and then even if you think you’ve come up with a clever combination of numbers and letters, that also can be cracked by a simple diskette advertised in a leading computer magazine. Even keypads use as security passes into buildings or cars and not foolproof.

Jonar Nader: Behind one of these is a device like this. If – if a theft knows where to get a hold of this device and photograph it off the wall at home, one is able to work out your security number because these here are the codes A, B, C, and D across and then the number. So, your very first number in this household is number 6 and you work out the other four digits.

Teresa Miller: Millions of dollars worth of monitoring equipment is available legally and illegally. Monitorization has enabled gadgets like this one to fit neatly into a book or into inconspicuous places to monitor conversations. Even the humble voice activated Dictaphone can be misused. A gadget like this could be built by an electronic whiz in minutes to interfere with infrared frequencies which open your car, garage, or house doors.

Jonar Nader also suspects Big Brother behind the proposed Australia Card.

Jonar Nader: It means that anything you do, everything you do, however you do it can be tracked and traced.

Teresa Miller: Are you perhaps just being a little paranoid?

Jonar Nader: People should understand what is happening out there so that they can decide whether they want to be paranoid about it or not because if they don’t do anything about it, it’s still happening. And it’s happening at an alarming rate. All you have to do is pick up the phonebook Yellow Pages and a private investigator and see there are three pages full of people who do this for full-time living and there are thousands of security officers, police officers, and others out there trying to get information on you.

Teresa Miller: Yes. Yes, information is the most precious currency. Guard it with your life. Teresa Miller, 11AM.

Female: And you thought your business was safe and private. Watch out.

Combining the words Jonar + Nader + Lebanese + book + bomb + terrorism, rang too many alarm bells. It was all a saga, on the way to the forum. Here is one of the interviews that Jonar managed, despite the many that were cancelled. In this interviews, you will notice Jonar being almost speechless in parts, because there was too much to say, in such a short time, on live television. Further below is a transcript of the video.

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Host: This man is too young to write ‘How to Lose Friends and Infuriate People’. It’s a cheeky subject, isn’t it? That you wanted to read the book. I loved it to tell you the truth. And I’m quite happy to lose friends .

Jonar Nader: I have none left now.

Host: Well, I’ll be your friend. The one in Beirut, and I did actually ask Jonar how old he was because his latest addition to his repertoire of books, it’s quite a hefty little number, Jonar really to tell you the truth.

Jonar Nader: Nearly two kilos worth, yes.

Host: Yes, and more so in knowledge and than write really. For legal reason, this book is a novel. That gets sort of all the red tape one would think because it reads like a truth.

Jonar Nader: Well, you know, it covers geopolitics, it covers technology, military strategy, intelligence, terrorism, and you’re bound to step on toes. And I just thought, if I put it in a form of a novel, then anyone who complains, I’ll just laugh it off and say, ‘Oh, it’s only a story.’

Host: And you don’t have to pay the legal fees. That’s why where it got exciting. Now, in New Zealand, we sort of put ourselves out there in terms of terrorism. We see it happening in other places. When September 11 happened, I think it really went and everybody is braying. Is that where it came from?

Jonar Nader: Well, if that is where it came from but for the opposite reason in fact because when September 11 happened, everyone said, ‘Oh dear, the world has changed.’ And that worries me because in fact, the world hasn’t changed. Nothing has changed. I mean, humans have not changed. Greed and corruption and stupidity, a time immemorial. The only thing now is that in the good old days, you needed an army to infiltrate someone else’s territory. Now, you can do it with just thoughts or in your windows or you could do it with portable devices. You don’t need 10,000 people. Interestingly though, when you talk about the world has changed, I saw just recently, there was a church in Australia where they were burying their dead and they went outside to do so and someone stole all then handbags that were left behind in the church.

Now, that’s a simple petty crime. But the amazing thing about it was, the pastor or the priest on camera said, ‘You know, that happened also to us three weeks ago.’ And I thought, it happened to you three weeks ago, you know. So, what changed now in it for us? So obviously, if something can happen to you three weeks ago and you don’t change your systems, what do you think will happen when the futurist time is so much more sophisticated?

Host: Okay. It happens to some extent here as well because when September 11 did happen and I don’t really want to focus a lot on September 11 because as you say, this is something that has been worldwide for a number of years now. But we found, you know, we found people at our airports, patrolling and more security measures and it’s being said now that we’re going to get bigger on security, but we sort of come a little bit lax again, you know. It’s like, well hang on, it’s been a couple of years ago now. Everything seems to be all right. We’ll just let it go. We shouldn’t think like that.

Jonar Nader: Well, I thought to myself, when you really think about it, September 11 was the simplest of anything. It was just an airplane, ploughing in to a building. That’s all it was really. So, I put my mind to the question, if you really want a doozie of a terrorist act, what would happen if we all put our minds together and thought of the worst act? And that’s what I said off to do with books to say, what would the worst possible terrorism be? Now people, when you ask them in the street, they will say, ‘Oh, bioterrorism or someone having a briefcase filled with some nuclear device.’

Host: Yes.

Jonar Nader: But again, that to me is very far from the truth. So, instead about to construct the worst possible act of terrorism but on the same time while doing that, I was trying to ask, can there ever be real peace because half of the world is in conflict, half of the world is at war. We have always been like this and it will always be like this. And I see it as a – I guess, a war on our destiny rather than a war on terror. I love this notion of we’re at – you know, we have a war on terror like we had a war on waste. We had a war on poverty. We had a war on, gosh, you know, every drugs.

Host: Yes.

Jonar Nader: And now, there’s – and I’m saying this is war on destiny. So, where would our destiny be when we improve nanotech, biotech, chemicaltech when now you don’t need armies to infiltrate borders?

Host: Have you find times have changed for you? I mean, you’re obviously a man of culture. You’ve come from Beirut. Do you find when you go through near those airports that you get looked upon as if to say, ‘Whoa, he looks a bit like a terrorist.’ Do you get that? Did you get looked at, your bag searched, do you get …?

Jonar Nader: Well, yes is the answer to that and I’m lucky to be seated here. I was stopped several times already before I even got here.

Host: So, if you and I were walking through together, you would be stopped but I would not I believe?

Jonar Nader: But I’m clean-shaven. I came into Christchurch …

Host: With a three-day beard, you will be done for.

Jonar Nader: I came into Christchurch this morning with a three-day unshaven and not dressed like this at all and I was questioned. And they said, ‘Why are you here?’ I said, ‘Touring about my book.’ ‘What’s the book about?’ I said, ‘About terrorism.’ So of course …

Host: You should have said shoes, darling, it would have saved you.

Jonar Nader: I know. The first thing they asked me was when did you do your research? Like what am I going to say? I went to some camp, did I? So anyway, that’s funny. I get stopped wherever I go. But it doesn’t faze me but I can see though …

Host: The world was changed with – and I speak to, you know, where you’re going and what …

Jonar Nader: Paranoia. Oh no, but I mean, anyone with half a brain can do anything they want to. That’s the issue. You know, if you really want to put your mind to it, you can do anything and that’s what scares me because people don’t understand that although we’ve tightened up, it’s much harder now to steal an airplane. Who is concocting the nanotech viruses that are coming out into the future?

Host: That’s your question. I will leave you with that one. The book is absolutely magnificent. If you read one thing this year, make it this. It’s called Zee. The reason why this is on the cover, it becomes apparent as you read through the book. There it is there.

Jonar Nader: Z, you’re saying Zee. You’re very American.

Host: Oh sorry, Z.

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Female Speaker: The social observer, philosopher, author and lecturer, Jonar Nader has spent years studying people and their habits and he knows some tricks to surviving in the corporate jungle and he joins us now.

Jonar Nader: So I used to get up from a meeting and say, ‘Excuse me. I have an appointment with life. I am going, not putting up with this nonsense.’

Female Speaker: What? Are you nuts?

Jonar Nader: I almost got caught.

Jonar Nader: Because in the future, I can tell you, money will be linked to performance.

And what next? What will be the next big thing?

The idea about being a futurist is not that you’re this clairvoyant. My friend’s father was a clairvoyant and his mother was a contortionist and as a result, he could foresee his own end.

Jonar Nader: My father said to my mother, ‘You know, we have been married 36 years. And not once have we agreed on anything.’ She said, ‘Thirty-seven.’

Female Speaker: His new book Z is a fictional novel about the worst act of terrorism the world could ever see.

Jonar Nader: Even if I were the president of the world for 10 years, I still could not think of a way to generate peace. I finally did.

Half of the world is in conflict. Half of the world is at war. And I see it as a war on our destiny rather than a war on terror.

You must be forbidden from working anywhere, touching anything if you don’t know what it feels like, what it tastes like. You know, what’s on the menu? Chicken. What does it taste like? I don’t know. I just work here. Well, find me someone who doesn’t work here so I can find out.

Jonar Nader: In the future, companies who put us on hold will have to pay for our time.

And I think there should be two types of managers, the manager that says, ‘Any problem you have, come to me. I’ll fix it,’ or the manager who says, ‘Look, any problem you see, go fix it and I’ll back you up.’

Terminal.

Jonar Nader: They say the bottom line is the most important thing in companies. And I say no, no, no. Then they say, oh, hang on. You know, the triple bottom line is the most important thing. Oh, yes? What’s that? I say, the triple bottom line is you have to take care of profits, you have to take care of the environment and you have to take care of society. That’s called the triple bottom line. It’s being taught all over the MBAs at the moment. I say, that’s still useless. Talk to me about the triple top line. It’s your staff, your quality and your customers.

Teamwork is a lot of nonsense because it doesn’t work. What I want are teams that work.

See, I don’t think you can share energy or you can share power because the most you do, you’ll dissipate it. So, in essence, the function of power for me is to generate momentum. There is this notion of the perceived power. For example, people think that the queen is powerful or that a minister is powerful. What people do not realize is that in fact, it is the department that runs the minister, not the minister that runs the department.

Do you know how we say power corrupts? You know this notion. I don’t believe that power corrupts either. I think certainly corruption is powerful and that’s why people seem to steer away from power but in itself, it is better to have power than not.

Male Speaker: Jonar, you get the last word.

Female Speaker: Stick around, would you?

Jonar Nader: Yes, sure.

Female Speaker: Thank you.

Female Speaker: Jonar Nader is a digital age philosopher. For the past 22 years, he has maintained a dual career as an expert in both technology and management and presents to both kinds of audiences.

Jonar Nader: Are you actually delivering on your promise?

Female Speaker: For example, he was the opening speaker for the IT Summit and the CEO Summit. Sometimes, Jonar wears two hats at the same conference as he did for the Institute of Company Directors where he gave two keynotes, one about leadership and another about technology and the future.

Jonar Nader: So, is it good to always have a bit of dirt in the bottom drawer? On someone.

Male Speaker: How does it come down for you, Jonar Nader?

Jonar Nader: Well, I’m glad you’ve asked me this question now that I’m a consultant…

Jonar Nader: Because I’m making a lot more money now.

Jonar Nader: Whenever I see a bad employee, my first impression is, ‘Who is his boss?’ And so, I would like to know why that happened and spend my energy there because …

Male Speaker: Well, you were his boss…

Female Speaker: Whether he’s humorous or controversial, Jonar delivers tantalizing messages.

Male Speaker: The irrepressible Mr Jonar Nader.

Female Speaker: He’s known for his captivating after dinner speeches like the one he presented at the Australian Business Awards.

Jonar Nader: So, what’s going to be the most important thing for your business is your brand. And when I say brand, I don’t mean just only your logo or your brand awareness of brand image or brand building or brand recall or brand values. As important as they are, the single biggest important thing about brand is the brand bet. That means what the customer is prepared to bet on.

The issue is I know that we all know how to make a cake and we all have flour and we all have sugar and we all have eggs and we all have an oven and we probably have the ingredients sitting right now at home. But how many of us can actually make it? The process of knowing is not good enough.

Female Speaker: Around the world, tens of thousands of people have attended Jonar’s presentations. He’s popular with professionals in finance, law, science, technology, manufacturing and sales.

Jonar Nader: I don’t want to hear any more terms and conditions and conditions apply…

Most people don’t learn a new word after the age of 18. Their vocabulary stays the same thereafter. Most people don’t have a new dream beyond, you know, whatever they’ve been – now, that’s it, mate. You’re going to be a plumber the rest of your life.

I say to kids, don’t worry about what you are going to be when you grow up. How you’re going to live as you are living.

Female Speaker: Jonar Nader is the author of the best-selling book How to Lose Friends and Infuriate People. He has also written a book of modern wisdom called How to Lost Friends and Infuriate Thinkers.

Jonar Nader: If you stand up and rise and say, ‘Look boss, you know, I really don’t think this is the way we should be doing it,’ then others will get – gain energy from you because it usually just takes the minority to create something big.

Female Speaker: What’s your view on anger and what it does to us, our bodies and its purpose?

Jonar Nader: If anger happens, you stop and say, ‘This is great. The alarm bells have gone off. Now is the time to assess why.’ Not go down the pub and, you know, laugh it off but to say, ‘What triggered this? Because this is not the trigger that I will allow into my life.’

Customer service isn’t just about being nice to people. It’s about product knowledge, knowing your industry inside out, knowing everything about everything you can possibly know. If you don’t get out of the way because selling is as much a profession as nuclear physics.

Are you actually delivering on your promise? And if we do that, the rest will take care of itself.

Any executive who has a ticker tape of their stock price or to be sacked on the spot. Your job is not to check the stock price. It’s a check about Mrs. Smith the last time she paid you good money to buy her husband a nice something rather that just doesn’t work and when she calls to complain, you say, ‘Oh, wow. Well, 20 minutes on hold. Your call is important to us. And please bring it down. It might take two weeks to repair it. Theft!

Today on Wall Street, people are just running around for bottom line figures. And what are they doing? They’re really only cheating themselves because Wall Street is a joke and the sooner it blows up, the better.

So many corporations are failing today because there is a them and us attitude. We might think we’re making profits but they’re all manipulated. The real profit comes when people are actually satisfied, happy.

For me, success is not what you amass. It’s what you …

And if you hate your boss, do not treat your boss badly. If you don’t like what you are doing, all the more reason to do it better so that you can climb out.

You know, and who gets promoted in corporate life today? The backstabbers who know how to do it well enough.

Male Speaker:

Jonar Nader: You know, the creative people. Where do they end up?

If I put this on my head, people will go, ‘What’s this guy on television got this on his head for?’ Because the visible things, everyone is an expert at. They can see that’s wrong. But can they see that someone is a back stabber, a manipulator, a hound, a con artist? Can they? I don’t think executives and people in an office environment can see it.

Female Speaker: Jonar is also the author of the best-selling illustrated Dictionary of Computing and the technology writer for Butterworth’s Legal Dictionary and the Student’s Legal Dictionary. He also serves as an expert witness to the legal profession.

Jonar Nader: Unfortunately, the internet will have to collapse before it rebuilds itself.

Male Speaker: It will be exciting, real funny up here.

Male Speaker: That’s a must for everybody.

Male Speaker: Jonar C. Nader.

Male Speaker: Jonar: Stiff!

Female Speaker: Jonar’s last assignment as a corporate executive was at IBM where he led the consumer division in 18 countries. He’s the co-founder of both the Information Technology Society and The Leadership Foundation funded by McKinsey and Company and Qantas. Programs have been held at the Royal Military College and at the University of New South Wales. As a guest lecturer at tertiary institutions, he conducts his courses on technology, leadership, management, advertising, marketing and politics.

Jonar is a coach to high profile executives. He gives thousands of radio and TV interviews worldwide. His articles are published in some of the most respected business and IT publications. As a magazine editor and writer, he has worked for motor racing, art and fashion magazines and has held exclusive interviews with the likes of Stuart Devlin, jeweler to Her Majesty the Queen.

Jonar has interviewed the biggest names in art and design including Count Faber Castell and fashion gurus such as Jean Muir, designer to the late Princess Diana. He has interviewed many fashion giants including Count Zegna, Lagerfeld, Missoni, Kenzo and the late Gianni Versace.

Female Speaker: As the chairman of Logictivity, Jonar Nader guides CEOs and boards to engineer a successful future. To learn more, please visit Logictivity.com and find out how the world’s only post-tentative, virtual surrealist can rearrange your molecules.

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Jonar Nader: We fight on the tangible front and we go and ask allies and we look at access to airports and access to landing strips and access to technology and access to armory and we count and see and position. And that’s our fight in this war on destiny. And yet, we think that so long as we can keep the enemy from having access to the ultimate weapon which is let’s say, the nuclear bomb – but do you know to have the nuclear bomb at your disposal, you need three things. Compounds, components and competence. And I’ve got to ask you, do you think that if we go up to those terrorists who are way up at the top somewhere, these entrepreneurs who have no limits, if they can get their hands on these three – and I’ve got to ask you: how many of the three do they already have? And how long will it be before they get the third one and then what happens? Tell me then about hesitation.

If freedom is short on weapons, we must compensate with willpower. If freedom to get what we want is difficult because we are lacking the weapons or the armory or the access or the allies, then fine. So be it. We’ll just compensate it with willpower. Who am I quoting? Hitler said this. This is a quote from Hitler. Now, I’ve got to ask you. If Hitler had access to more, would he have stopped? Will he stop? If he had access completely and matched that with willpower, where was that man going? So, where are our friends going when they get compounds and the components and the competence?

Now, our enemy at the moment, they manipulate the intangible. You see, we are running around with the tangibles and the allies and the armory but we have taught them about the intangibles of branding and so they have made ideals contagious and like a kid here would absolutely love to wear the right pair shoes and the right brand of shirt and they would not be seen dead with anything else. We have enemies and whole societies out there who have absolutely made ideas and ideals contagious really strongly, excellent marketing. They package passion and they are selling it to the masses. While you and I and my friends and family who are now 99 percent dead in Lebanon, were enjoying the beach and the afternoon sun and the beautiful life of education and fellowship and meetings and business. Every single one I knew in Lebanon, the reason we lost our country is we enjoyed sailing and soccer and food and friends and family and we were enjoying life. And when you are not looking, you will lose because what you had is lovely, and they want it. And you and I do the same thing here, and that terrifies me.

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Jonar Nader: The worst tool on the war on destiny where we are currently destined and we keep using this tool is politics. And what’s the definition of politics? Politics is the peace time tool. Politics is the peace time tool that we use to protect our power base. We are using a peace time tool to fight a war. Tell me, is that an oxymoron or a conflict or what? You cannot use politics to fight a war. And we keep using politics and the worst tool for combating terrorists is diplomacy. The definition for me of diplomacy is that diplomacy is only useful when the other party has the upper end. If the other party has the upper hand, you have to be diplomatic.

So, basically, if we are diplomatic with the enemy, what we’re really saying is that the upper hand. So, how is that for a good start? What must we fear most in this war on terror, in the war on destiny? What do I fear most every single day of my life? I who know the sound of a bullet within millimeters. You know, when you hear a sound of a bullet, first, it sounds like a mosquito. Second, you’ve got to think faster than a bullet can travel and ask yourself if you should I duck, should I move, and you realize that the odds are so – either way, that you’re better off just standing still because if you move or duck, you might cop the next one. It’s important to know what to do.

And what do I fear most everyday? Well, when I ask certain people, they talk about the bomb. Yes, I feel that too. But higher, worse than a bomb that I fear everyday is this invisible, intangible and all my work is about invisibility and intangibility. That’s why no one – that’s why I’m self-unemployed because no one wants to know and understand. They can’t see and touch and feel. And prove it to me, Jonar and show me the data. They say with their lovely American accent. Show me the data. Prove to me. Wow, it’s difficult. And corruption is another invisible, intangible show me the data, I can’t. And corruption of the soul, corruption of the servant, the manager and corruption of society, and they’re three different things. Oh but we don’t have corruption in this country, do we?

We don’t have corrupted souls. We don’t have corrupted thinking. No. And this scares me the most because it is through corrupted individuals who say, ‘Oh he gave me a hundred to get it through while he just helped me out and I let him go through. It seemed insignificant. Information is easily snatched snatched from the hands of those who do not know its significance. And everything happens in little bits and pieces, and they say, ‘Oh well, it doesn’t concern me. It doesn’t concern me.’

Corruption. Well, let me talk to you about this world of opposites. The reason I started this series called How to Lose Friends and Infuriate People, How to Lose Friends and Infuriate Your Boss, How to Lose Friends and Infuriate Terrorists etc, is simply because I really believe that if you don’t understand the opposites of your virtues, those opposites will come and bite you in the bottom. If you value peace and you don’t know how to fight, you will lose. You can value it all you like. I value peace, I value peace, peace. And I love it when the world get up and say ‘I call for world peace.’ To who where they speaking? Yes, we all value peace. Yes, we all value it. It’s useless to say. It’s like someone knocking on your door asking you, ‘If I can show you how to be rich, would you be interested?’ What a stupid question. I call on peace. Yes. Oh, yes. I can just see these maniac divinely-driven people when they hear the Pope, bless him, or Nelson Mandela or the queen: I call this Christmas time, I have a call for peace. I could just see the likes of Osama Bin Laden, and everybody saying, ‘You know guys, the queen was so eloquent, let’s put down our guns. I don’t understand. So the opposites: if you value honesty in your organization and you don’t know what dishonestly looks like, you will be had. I worked in retail, and the retail organization went to great lengths to show us how people stole things. And that was the smartest thing they could do. You’ve got to show us how to cook the books so that we know when we’re being cooked. You’ve got to show us how how a thief is dismantling something so that we know what to look for.

So, therefore, the opposites simply say, if you value peace, you’ve got to learn how to fight. If you value patience, you must learn how and when to become impatience.

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Jonar Nader: The problems have been, that we don’t know how to do what we know we should do. We know what we should do but we don’t know how to do it. And what – what should we do? We must act at high speed. Resolute action at high speed with lightning strikes but our system does not allow because I want to see a white paper on that, a green paper on that. Let’s meet in Geneva to discuss it and let’s see what they have to say about it and then maybe three months later we’ll see if we can get the coalition of someone. We lose. Resolute action at high speed.

Horror is when we have a single isolated event generated through evil machinations. That happen and pass and we call that horrible. Terror on the other hand is the anticipation of random and recurring horror that remains poised to taunt but I go back to my earliest slide. Terrorists aren’t so much interested in just being there to taunt. They taunt you to keep you on your toes but that’s not their goal. That’s not their aim. That’s not their game plan. This is all distraction. They are not interested in bombs and killing. They are interested in one thing. And how they arrive at it will simply depend on what they have at their disposal. And when you have nothing at your disposal, you’ll strap something to you and go and blow yourself up. But when you have something more sophisticated than that, you might use it. So, people will use what’s at their disposal.

I said earlier, criminals and I use the word terrorists and I verify there’s a big difference between a criminal and a terrorist. You know, we often say that criminals are there to break the law. They’re set out to break the law. Do you realize that criminals actually love the law? They want the law? You see, the law says, you will not have a gun in your house. The criminal loves that because the criminal knows that on chance, you don’t have a gun. And of course, they walk in with a pistol. They have the upper hand. The criminal loves the fact that it says no parking, no stopping. They love that because they come and park and stop because they want to break the law. And they give out false ID and just run and never pay their bills and never – but they want you to obey the law so they have the upper hand. That’s the criminal.

But the terrorist is not there to break the law. They are there to change our law. Not to blow us up. The ultimate game is to change our way of life to theirs because God has sent them on a mission and how dare you infidels stop them and get in their way. The war on terror is not a political war but a war on our system of politics. And yet, we somehow think that we can negotiate. We can talk with people who have no concept of defeat. How on earth can you negotiate with someone where no matter how you threaten it, there is no concept of defeat? Fascinating indeed. What the terrorists fear more than death? Because they don’t fear death, so much so they’ll strap themselves and die in their mission. Death is not – it’s inconsequential.

In fact, there’s a lot of heroics after death. You get monuments and families cheering your families and there’s great reward. No, they don’t fear death at all. But there is something they fear more than death and that is called humiliation. And you can use that tool. But if you use that tool to humiliate them, you had better win as quickly as a lightning strike or you have just poked the crocodile or a tiger or a spider. If you’re going to poke, you had better be ready to win. There is no second chance. And there is something that they value more than life. There are women out there who say to these leaders, ‘I’m happy to keep having babies and they’re your soldiers. Take them.’ 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 and they strap bombs to them and they love their kids. Of course, they do. But they have a bigger mission. They value life but there’s something they value more than life and that is honor. And there’s great store in honor. And if you understand the psyche of this humiliation and honor, it would help better to know what we can do about it. A long story indeed. I’m just poking the fire with you.

I suggest that they prevail because of our lack of conviction. There was a time when you wouldn’t dare do anything out of chivalry that would hurt innocent people. When we were fighting the battle in the good old days with swords and – we thought, innocent women and children leave them alone. Now, not only are the women and children sad casualty of war, they are a target of war. Now, if your enemy is prepared to go to any length – now, am I suggesting we go kill women and children? No. But what I’m saying is, the fact that we would not do it, gives us a weakness because they would.

Now, you’re dealing with someone who doesn’t fear death, who will do anything and you’re dealing with us who are slow and work by a committee and not sure who the leader really is. Is it caucus or congress or the senate or the populace or the media or the hot women? We find strength through technological supremacy and common wealth. We say, we have unity and we have technology. Surely eventually, if we tap every phone call and monitor every passport… And they are strengthened by our failings. Maddoff, who’s failing was it? Who’s failing but a collective stupidity that allowed that to happen?

The September 11 bombers, the September 11 people, two of them – well, most of them were on the most wanted list. Two of them were stopped weeks before, just a few weeks before, not long like two or three weeks before, was stopped for some other little misdemeanor or some little query. But we have casual officers and the casual officers didn’t connect that they were on the most wanted list and they say, ‘Thank you, sir. On your way.’ They have even met. One of the September 11 bombers went through the x-ray thingy scanner and beeped. They had them there. Well, we’re a bit lax. And you must say, ‘Yes, we’re lax.’ Because we’re not experienced and we don’t expect it.

Do you know what happened in Israel when every single week, a few years back, every single week, there was a suicide bomber on a bus. Do you remember those days when you heard of another suicide bomber on the bus or city square? Every single week. And in one of those many, many, many weeks hence, a lady walked in and she beeped. And the soldier, the Israeli soldier who’s as experienced as they come, who has seen it all, said to the lady, ‘I’m sorry. I can’t let you through. You have to be searched.’ She said, ‘You can’t search me. You’re a man. A woman has to search me.’ He said, ‘Fine. We have no women soldiers here. Can you wait a little bit?’ She said, ‘I don’t mind waiting, I have to get through.’ He said, ‘Well, you just have to wait.’ She said, ‘Fine. I’ll wait.’ He said, ‘Look, you can’t stay. Come in here.’ And then took her in, got his access card, peep peep, open the door to the office and said, ‘Just wait here.’ where all his other officers work. Bang! Finish. Seven people dead in one second.

How can this officer who knows every – you see what – it’s just incredible how the human mind works? That he actually lets her into the citadel to explode in there. It just shows you just this how – you know, oh my nephew didn’t understand because he’s young and the investors didn’t know because they were honest… Hey, this is really tough stuff. We fail a lot. And our worst strategic mistake is hesitation. Those who hesitate will lose.

Jonar Nader: And we keep hesitating left right and centre because it’s a popularity game. We have a war to fight but it’s a popularity question. ‘Oh before I make a decision, I have to check with the polls…’

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Jonar Nader: Let’s identify and agree that there are different types of terrorists. Perhaps there are hundreds but I’m just going to give you the top 10 in general brackets. The first at the number 10 and we’ll go all the way up to number one. You’ve got the daredevil, the hacker’s mind, the terrorist who just likes to test out the system to see if they can break it, to see if they can embarrass you, to see if they can cause you havoc, to see if they can disturb your community or country just for the fun of it, just because they don’t like you, just because they have a little bit of a personality issue, whatever. They’re just trying things on. They don’t have any other hidden agenda.

Then we have the defiant. These are categorized as delusional and delirious. They’re defiant and delusional and no matter how many times you tell them, ‘You have lost. Will you now put down your weapons?’ they go, ‘No, we have not lost. No, this country is still ours and this is still–’ And they just will not accept a ‘no’ and they will continue and continue and continue because there’s no stopping until they go back to the position they reminisce.

At eight, going up the scale, there are those who do not know that they are terrorists. They don’t really mean any harm to you just so long as you don’t interrupt them in their flow. Now, let me take you back to my friend, the swimmer. Remember the difference between understanding and no comprehension? How can someone not know they’re a terrorist? I’ll prove this to you. Do you know that there are people out there within your household perhaps who have music on their PC or on CD that was pirated or downloaded or copied or they have a DVD or a video of something that they did not pay for and we say to them this is intellectual property. You are not authorized to copy that music. And they say in their heart with every earnestness of solid belief, ‘But I’m not hurting anyone.’

But you are committing a crime. First, it’s against the law. You cannot copy music. You cannot download music like this. You have to pay for it. But they say, ‘I know Jonar. Okay. But I’m still going to do it anyway,’ because in their heart, they feel so pure. I’m not hurting anyone and besides, I’m publicizing the musician and I’m giving them exposure and I’m helping them promote themselves and there’s another counter-argument. Do you see what I mean? And there are people equally like this. They say, no, I’m not a terrorist.

The disenfranchised, the people who say, ‘Hang on a minute. I thought we were sharing this town together.’ And now, all of a sudden, we’re on the fringe. Why do you have access to the water and I don’t? Why do you have this lovely house at the top of the hill and I have to share? And they’re going to hang on a minute and they say, ‘No, you’re not going to disenfranchise us. We’re still part of this community too,’ and they’ll take up arms.

The disowned who were just playing little Teletubbies, hubby and daughter and mother and father and son and just sitting there and minding their own business, watching Humphrey B. Bear been there and all of a sudden, their houses is crumbled. Now, it happens in Victoria with the bush fires and we think, how horrible that is but we have a sense of, well, that’s the past now. For these people, there is no past because they won’t let them rebuild. Get out. And so now, they become refugees, not the pouring of the millions of dollars to help them rebuild as horrible as it is. Get out. And so they become terrorists. They were sitting there, minding their own business.

Then you have number five, the disgusted, the people who say, ‘I just don’t like what you do.’ Just stop doing it. Stop picking your nose. Stop sniffling. Stop coughing. Stop smoking. Stop this, stop that and stop doing anything by going topless on a beach and drinking after hours and not doing this and not doing that. And you disgust me and I don’t like your customs. And therefore – and they are really doing you a favor because they want to show you the better way. They want to rid you of your sins.

There are the desirous who look and say, ‘Well, if you can afford that, I want it. I’m sure you can afford another one.’ So, they’ll hold you up. They’ll be pirates at sea. They’ll break into your house. And in their heart they think, well, if you can afford a house like this, you’re not going to miss a bit of jewelry. I’m sure you can afford it. You’re probably insured.

The disciples, the devotees, the comrades in arms who either need a job and therefore someone pays them and there are so many people out there fighting battles simply on salary. They don’t really understand the mission. They don’t understand the story. Hey mate, you know, we’re the same something, same town, same language, same religion, same skin color, same something or, ‘You’re paying me nicely. I like you. I’ll come and help you.’ There are so many people out there causing problems because they’re getting paid.

Number two, you have the deported, the deposed. These are the people called freedom fighters and they say, ‘We shall go to the death.’ Now, what is at number one? This presentation is really about the number one because you could spend decades talking about all these others and it becomes so convoluted. And then you start mentioning one religion or another or one city and then they go, oh, yes, but the United Nations resolution, yes, but when they – and oh, once you unravel it. And then it gets to the point where his grandfather killed his grandfather and therefore, I’ve got to kill you. And it just keeps going. But at number one are those who have absolutely a great conviction that God has sent them on this mission.

What I don’t understand is why they think God is so almighty and so all powerful when he needs them.

Jonar Nader: You know, why does God need you? So they’re all of a sudden agent for God.

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Jonar Nader: And I say to you that terrorism is not about where they place the next bomb. The terrorists I’m concerned about don’t care to blow you up, or not blow you up. It’s too messy. They’re far too intelligent. And beware the day when the terrorists will be called the tri-terrorists meaning T3. T3, the terrorist that has three things. Nanotech, biotech, and chemical tech. Put those together, put them in the hand of a terrorist and where will we stop? But they’re not interested in blowing things up. They’re interested in something more; something else. Yet, we have a fixation that we think terrorism is about bombs and explosions and fighting and guns. It has got nothing to do with that, whatsoever.

And having seen not two buildings go down in a city but every single building in Beirut go down, every single building, not two in a city and God bless them all. A horror as this was, when people said to me the world changed since September 11, I knew that I was talking to a dumbo. Anybody who says the world changed in September 11 has a zero understanding of world affairs. Buildings have been going down left, right and center for decades. Now, the world has changed because another two buildings went down? Or because it was graphic and horrible and you actually got to see it. Thank goodness for the video camera.

The world did not change on September 11. Everything is different and nothing has changed so we declared war on terror. Thank you. Well, how well did we do on the war on poverty? That has been going on for decades. And how well did we do on the war on hunger? I thought that was declared a long time ago and there was a war on waste. We live in a clean environment. You want to see waste? And then remember the good old days prior to Nixon and everybody else. There was a war on drugs. Are we winning that war? Now, if we’re not winning this war, what makes you think we’re going to win the other war then? I think this is a war on our destiny. There is a projectile. There is a trajectory. We are heading in a direction and we are destined for something. Not in a spooky, spiritual sense. In a practical, mechanical sense, we are destined and I think our war here is to stop where we are heading.

So, what was the number you locked in, I wonder? Share it with the person next to you so you could expose yourselves. Go on. Tell the person next to you. Tell what number did you select? Commit to a number. Well, I’m not going to ask you because that’s private. But do you know, when I present it to intelligence officers of all shapes and sizes, their answer was cumulatively – I think the average came at 20. The intelligence officers from all sorts of intelligence organizations said 20 and I said ‘extreme’. The trajectory, the direction and everything pointing to it is going there.

I hate using such horrible language but I really think that we are doomed. This is an ugly word. And forgive me today. I’ll be speaking so fast in this short period of time but there will be many ugly things shown too. Well, let’s see why. First of all, we run around studying terrorism but that does not help us to understand the terrorists of whom there are many types. Studying terrorism is not really the same as understanding terrorists yet we have people who are experts in all sorts of methodologies to do with tracking and surveillance and bombs and explosives and sniffer dogs and electronics and every shape and size of travel and transport and insurance and industry. And they are so fixated. It’s like studying locks and barrels and the criminals are out there doing the criminal thing. But they know everything about doors and locks and glass and shatterproof glass. It’s a different story from understanding the criminal. Not that terrorists are criminals. And I’ll explain that in a moment to you.

If terrorists were business people, where would they sit on the management hierarchy? For example, think of a management hierarchy. Generally speaking, you have a CEO. You have a board. You have the operations staff. You have marketing, you have sales. If terrorists were business people, they just came over to this side, what kind of person would they be? Would they be the leader, the engineer, the designer, the innovator, the cash register clerk, the forklift driver? Well, to me, I see – the ones we need to worry about because there are many types of terrorists but the ones we need to worry about – to me, are entrepreneurs. And my definition of entrepreneur are those who give everything they own including their life to test an idea that most people think is unsound. Think of an entrepreneur that you know who opens a store or writes a book or whatever they do. Really that person is forever is being told, no, you can’t do it but they give it everything they’ve got because they absolutely want to test the idea they have, that everyone else says is crazy. So, that’s the kind of person that I’m talking about.